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Blimey Glenn, you'll have the alt-right in fits at that one.
Lets hope so! If it means just one of them takes the time to re-evaluate their position a little, then my time has been worth it.
Plus, I'm fed up with reading the ignorance and intolerance (not just on here, in general) and I'm no longer bothered about keeping the peace or upsetting contributors.
I'm seeing so many parallels in current world and the conditions that lead to the rise of the Nazi party, but unlike Niemoller, I won't wait until there is nobody left to speak for me, I will speak out, I will stand up, even where it doesn't impact me directly.
What do we know so far, we don't know who the terrorist was, or which country he is from (hell, there is some dispute over which continent) but it seems the papers know with some certainty what his religion he was and that he was in immigrant .... odd that, isn't it.
Also, keep in mind that Turkey, whilst Secular, 97.8% of Turks identify as Muslim. So, "Muslim country attacked by lone Muslim terrorist" hardly invokes the same fear as "ISIS-Linked Muslim immigrant attacks Nightclub. Westerners Killed" does it?
The fact you linked that in such a way shows the paper did it's job.
When the IRA bombed the Arndale, was your first thought "what an amazing city, under Catholic Christian attack" ? No, because you understood that whilst one factor behind the troubles is Ireland was religion. the bigger picture is whole lot more complicated than "my religion is better than yours" and the that the IRA didn't represent the 1.2 billion Roman Catholic worldwide. You understood that vast majority of those Catholics were as repulsed at the IRA bombing campaign as everyone else.
Don't don't me wrong ISIS are evil scumbags who should be eradicated, and Islam, like most other religions, have people at the extremes trying to use their religion to justify their own evil ends. But that doesn't make the other 99.9% complicit.
It's not insecurity though it's fact ... if you don't bow to Muslims every need you are racist .
It's worrying that you generally think that and repeat that. If enough people say it often enough, people start to believe it.
Muslims are no different to people of any faith (on indeed atheists), there are nice one, there are dicks, there are comtemplative ones, there are argumentative ones, there are ones who would do anything for anyone and there are ones who are snakes. The type of person they are is not a function or their religion (technically it can be how well they follow the religion, but the same is true of Christianity).
Take a step back, many of you identify as "non-practising Christians", now imagine if your only knowledge of Christianity was the paedophiles who run through the heart of the Catholic Church (which the vatican finally seems to want to address). Where is the line between thinking all Catholics turn a blind eye to peadophilia and all Mulims are ISIS sympasizers who want to invoke Sharia law?
Seriously, reach out, speak to these people. Don't base your judgement of them on those at the extremes of their religion (that works on both sides).
But halal is being imposed on everyone, by social engineering. Somebody who elects not to eat at KFC or Subway because the meat is halal is labelled a racist, or maybe just a swivel-eyed loom.
Still amazes me in this day and age of being offended about everything that the bleeding heart liberals turn a blind eye to, nay, endorse, the cruel, painful death of animals (not even stunned) as long as they are carried out for [Islamic] religious purposes.
But it's ok because it's a capitalist society and you can choose not to eat there. Rinse, repeat.
Yet, trace amounts of animal fats??? OMG. How insensitive! That needs sorting out quick sharp.
Of course, the really big question is: where the animals that were killed and whose fat is use - in microscopic quantities - halal?
Of course me saying this "makes me a racist".
Meh, call me a racist then. I avoid Halal and Kosher meat on principal. We have perfectly good rules on animal treatment before death and I don't see why any religion should have an exemption for that, just like I don't believe religions should enjoy tax free status or the ability to run faith schools.
... but my belief is nothing to do with any kind of fear of a looming Islamic takeover, I'm a secular humanist that just generally thinks the world could be a fairer place if all religions played fair (and I acknowledge that most people who follow a religion generally do, it's the zealots at the extremist who are the problem).
Your insecurity is sticking out Stuart.
By the way i once saw a swivel-eyed loom at Helmshore Mill - fascinating
I could have sworn Swivel-Eyed Loom supported The Clash at KGH in 1984
Spot on al , it's disgusting admin can class posts as lunacy and racist for saying something that's not ass licking Muslims
I didn't class the post as lunacy, I classed "obscene onions" as lunacy ... and I'll defend that still. I certainly didn't accuse you or the post of being racist, in fact I went to great lengths to explain I was doing neither, so think about what you're accusing me of.
The second part of your statement is a monumental informal fallacy. The fact I chose to rear my head up into a thread with such vernment "alt-right" (to use an Americanism) posts going unanswered, when I was out gunned, out numbered and you'd have hoped out-smarted, just to put an alternative view, has resulted in a response like that, has given me hope. If that's the best you've got, your cause is lost. Hell, so far, the poster that's actually made my question my own views (see, I choose to do that with things I don't agree with, I find it more productive than being offended by them) is Mike ... and I'd always assumed (wrongly it seems) he was on my "wet liberal" side of the fence
As for me being an admin. The second I use my position on the forum to further an argument, I've lost. I won't even moderate threads I'm involved with for fear of showing bias. If you think I have, please call me out for it. For many many years I used an alternative "sock puppet" account to post with, but I thought we were all grown up enough that you'd happier I was using my real, identifiable persona, not some anonymous virtual one.
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